2010 GT500 Major product changes

[Birdman]

Interesting .....

http://www.mustangblog.com/info/2010...rder-guide.pdf

[Johnny Dangerously]

Great, a black box. Now Big Brother can give you a ticket without pulling you over, assuming that he can access the data remotely.



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[Carnut]

I don't think I like some of this stuff especially the "Black Box", more big brother.

And what's this alert system when you activate the horn and get out quick. There are just some people out there driving that need their butts kicked. Sheesh.

Someone needs to figure out how to deactivate this crap.

[The Bone]

I think that the black box is already in our cars. It is however this is the first time that they are telling us about it. Dont worry the information is the property of the owner and the information in said device belongs to the owner
so no one can access it without permission. However if you are in a rental that is another story. I am sure that these will be in all cars not just the 500.
The dealership will also have access to the information in there that could be a problem unless you tell then to stay out of you're box.

[Alloy Dave]

George thanks for posting...I had seen the order guide, which shows some of the same info.

I too want to know more about the black box.

Who owns the info?

Who can access it? and does it require owner's consent?

Can it be deactivated?

Do other Ford products have it, or just Mustang/GT500?

Will it reduce insurance costs?

I want to understand why this has been added.

[HSURB]

Originally Posted by The Bone

I think that the black box is already in our cars. It is however this is the first time that they are telling us about it. Dont worry the information is the property of the owner and the information in said device belongs to the owner
so no one can access it without permission. However if you are in a rental that is another story. I am sure that these will be in all cars not just the 500.
The dealership will also have access to the information in there that could be a problem unless you tell then to stay out of you're box.

I don't think that is correct. This technology has been used in the equipment business for several years now. It is often used to determine if the machine has been abused, or serviced properly. The information can be used to determine if warranty work will be covered.

HSURB®

[2COKEMAN]

So the 2010 GT500 gets the 3.55 axle and I also read somewhere it will also come with the KR cold air and program......

[Birdman]

Originally Posted by 2COKEMAN

So the 2010 GT500 gets the 3.55 axle and I also read somewhere it will also come with the KR cold air and program......

Yes and the KR suspension too. ( although it will not be advertised as such )

[Birdman]

Originally Posted by Alloy Dave

George thanks for posting...I had seen the order guide, which shows some of the same info.

I too want to know more about the black box.

Who owns the info?
You do but there may be certain situations where others may access it .I believe the dealer can access it for warranty considerations.
Perhaps in a traffic investigations etc ? I would guess that as time goes on there will be attempts by the powers that be to have more control in our lives so laws will be introduced "in the interest of saftey" to allow such intrusions.


Who can access it? and does it require owner's consent?

Can it be deactivated? I think it will be part of the SRS system so it cannot be deactivated.
Do other Ford products have it, or just Mustang/GT500? I would assume so.

Will it reduce insurance costs? Doubt it
I want to understand why this has been added.

Good questions Dave. I believe if your car is totaled then the insurance Co can access the data.

[Alloy Dave]

Originally Posted by Birdman

Good questions Dave. I believe if your car is totaled then the insurance Co can access the data.

Thanks George...I'll be following this one. May require a letter to my Senator along with some quickcrete.

[Birdman]

Originally Posted by The Bone

I think that the black box is already in our cars. It is however this is the first time that they are telling us about it. Dont worry the information is the property of the owner and the information in said device belongs to the owner
so no one can access it without permission. However if you are in a rental that is another story. I am sure that these will be in all cars not just the 500.
The dealership will also have access to the information in there that could be a problem unless you tell then to stay out of you're box.

I believe the new black box can monitor many more areas and parameters than the ones in the 07's to 09's....not sure but that's what I heard.

[Carnut]

Don't forget all the courts have to do is subpeona the data.

The theory that this information is yours alone is not valid.

[68fastback]

Originally Posted by Birdman

I believe the new black box can monitor many more areas and parameters than the ones in the 07's to 09's....not sure but that's what I heard.

That's what I heard too.

The old one could not be accessed by the dealer ...only a Ford rep and only if warranty fraud was suspected. Also, the data could be subpoened by law enforcement under certain circumstances. I beleive it only held data on the prior 2 seconds of operation.

In NY state there have been lawsuits over blackboxes on other vehicles and the ability of law inforcement to use it against you. If you wer not informed your vehicle had one you had more rights than if you were informed. If you were informed you had some rights to request it being disabled and though it would not be disables, it gave you some additional rights to block the data being used against you.

I suspect this is a much more capable recorder. It will be interesting to see how it will be used, both by Ford's intent, law-enforecment, etc. I think in the future all vehicles will have them and not clear to me what rights to the data we actually may have.

It is very Big Brother tho.

Some insurance companies (like Progressive) offer to install a BB for free in return for lower rates (at least in NV, prolly elsewhere too). But that data can used against you (lots of fine print, I'm told).

Scary!

[Darkside]

I did some quick research on the "black boxes" and it looks like they are required by the NHTSA beginning in 2010. I don't think I will be buying any more new cars.

From what I understand it pretty much takes a court order to get into the black box, even for insurance purposes. It looks like they can access the PCM data on Mustangs prior to the 2010 MY. I do not know what kind of storage capacity it has, but it seems to be a short timeframe, like a couple of minutes at most.

The data is used to corroberate the findings of accident investigators as far as I can tell.

Here is a link to a company that accesses the black boxes for insurance companies. It has a lot of usefull info.

Crash Data Recorders

[Johnny Dangerously]

Looks like it's time to build your own.
1967 Mustang Fastback Steel Replacement Body Shells - HorsePowerSports


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[Darkside]

Originally Posted by Johnny Dangerously

Looks like it's time to build your own.
1967 Mustang Fastback Steel Replacement Body Shells - HorsePowerSports


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Yep, thats the ticket. the 67 isn't the only one they make either. Dyacorn makes replacement body shells for 1967-1970 Ford Mustang Fastback.

[Alloy Dave]

Originally Posted by Carnut

Don't forget all the courts have to do is subpeona the data.

The theory that this information is yours alone is not valid.

I can destroy it...need a thinner mix of cement is all to get into the cracks.

[Alloy Dave]

Originally Posted by Darkside

I did some quick research on the "black boxes" and it looks like they are required by the NHTSA beginning in 2010. I don't think I will be buying any more new cars.

From what I understand it pretty much takes a court order to get into the black box, even for insurance purposes. It looks like they can access the PCM data on Mustangs prior to the 2010 MY. I do not know what kind of storage capacity it has, but it seems to be a short timeframe, like a couple of minutes at most.

The data is used to corroberate the findings of accident investigators as far as I can tell.

Here is a link to a company that accesses the black boxes for insurance companies. It has a lot of usefull info.

Crash Data Recorders

This is great info Darkside. I'm going to spend some time studying this, but I already note that it measures horizontal and longitudinal acceleration post-crash, which means the car must have accelerometers on it. Nothing like adding more weight to our cars.

If cars come with an internal bluetooth device, like a cell phone, I wonder if in the future they'll record whether that was being used just prior to the accident also.

I'm all for public safety...but I'm not confident this data will be used in the best ways for society.

Dave

[68fastback]

Originally Posted by Alloy Dave

This is great info Darkside. I'm going to spend some time studying this, but I already note that it measures horizontal and longitudinal acceleration post-crash, which means the car must have accelerometers on it. Nothing like adding more weight to our cars.

If cars come with an internal bluetooth device, like a cell phone, I wonder if in the future they'll record whether that was being used just prior to the accident also.

I'm all for public safety...but I'm not confident this data will be used in the best ways for society.

Dave

The Bosch CDR looks like this:

[68fastback]

Cars with the Bosch CDR

Scroll down about 1/3 of this page for state-by-state law relating to CDRs.