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Old 10-24-2008, 08:27 PM
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The build is scheduled for Jan 09 last I heard. Only about 60 or so total.
George, they may be rethinking the numbers... just got the latest MM&FF and interview with Brian Wolfe mentions that the CJ is not a one-shot deal ...Ford wants to keep making them, which sort of implies it will roll onto '10MY if demand for more than the original 60 (? dunno) BW said they want to add a focus (implication was a long term focus) on the sportsmen (AA/A/B factory stock) classes that are the core of the sport for many.

BW also mentioned that there's no near term plan to re-enter NHRA Pro Stock [lol] ...certainly understandable given the huge investment that would be required ...but I'll never give up hoping on that one!
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Old 10-27-2008, 01:02 AM
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I found this pained version of the '10MY "PowerDome" hood...

(moved to hood thread)
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Old 11-04-2008, 10:17 AM
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Two more releases today from Ford Media on the Cobra Jet!

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3,300 lbs...thought they could do better with a race only version. Oh well. What am I missin' Dan? Does it have a cage? other items keeping the weight up? Roll-down windows?

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Article number 2 is what I read in AutoWeek today. They said that there will be additional Cobra Jets in the coming months if you missed out on the first 50. How about a Cobra Jet Fusion?
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3,300 lbs...thought they could do better with a race only version. Oh well. What am I missin' Dan? Does it have a cage? other items keeping the weight up? Roll-down windows?

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Says it's NHRA-legal but I didn't see a roll-cage on the list :shrug:

3300 is 750+ lbs off a GT500 -- not too shabby. Even the Roush yellow mule when it was running the H/Boss or dry-sump alloy FGT was in that range. The manracer with the low-deck 5.0 cammer spraybore (alloy block, no S/C, magnesium intake) is 3105#, so 3300 for a 5.4 S/C is pretty light, no? The S/C (S/C, IC, HE, tank/fluids and plumbing) is prolly 150+# alone. So I think they didn't leave a whole lot of fat, but...

...hmmm ...what does paint weigh? ;-)

I remember back in the day, some well-connected Ford racers used to order up special "body-in-white" primered-only cars and then strip all the body panels and acid-dip them for the most lightening possible...
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Says it's NHRA-legal but I didn't see a roll-cage on the list :shrug:

3300 is 750+ lbs off a GT500 -- not too shabby. Even the Roush yellow mule when it was running the H/Boss or dry-sump alloy FGT was in that range. The manracer with the low-deck 5.0 cammer spraybore (alloy block, no S/C, magnesium intake) is 3105#, so 3300 for a 5.4 S/C is pretty light, no? The S/C (S/C, IC, HE, tank/fluids and plumbing) is prolly 150+# alone. So I think they didn't leave a whole lot of fat, but...

...hmmm ...what does paint weigh? ;-)

I remember back in the day, some well-connected Ford racers used to order up special "body-in-white" primered-only cars and then strip all the body panels and acid-dip them for the most lightening possible...
I guess I'm just thinking of all the things that could come out/off. Things like A/C, sound deadening, power seat motors and the seats themselves vs. racing seat, glass vs. lexan, stereo & speakers, heater core, rear seat, that rediculous 2 piece driveshaft, headlights (do they need lights?), power window motors, gas tank (put in a smaller one or fuel cell), etc.

I assume the block is still cast iron.

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I guess I'm just thinking of all the things that could come out/off. Things like A/C, sound deadening, power seat motors and the seats themselves vs. racing seat, glass vs. lexan, stereo & speakers, heater core, rear seat, that rediculous 2 piece driveshaft, headlights (do they need lights?), power window motors, gas tank (put in a smaller one or fuel cell), etc.

I assume the block is still cast iron.

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Dunno on the block; I'd guess iron but there was a very nice stang on the Romeo engine-line floor sporting an alloy FGT piece :shrug: ...some of the other items you mentioned are called out but dunno on the others. I suspect most of what you listed is pulled if it can be in the targeted class.

Below is what they list but not clear how much you can pull and still run NHRA A-stock. Remember the CJ is being targeted at specific NHRA class(es). In previous announcements they mentioned A-Stock and left the door open for AA or B ...presumeably depending on mods and how it works out with NHRA class rules (since this is a never-before produced factory car) ...or at least that was the implication. Not sure where I got that view -- might have been mentioned in MM&FF article on Brian Wolfe -- not sure.

Here's what the CJ includes...

The 2008 Ford Racing Cobra Jet (FR500CJ) is a factory-built race car (serialized but no VIN), ready for the drag strip with only minor additional prep required. It is available for order from any Ford dealer as a Ford Racing part. Following are key Ford Racing components to help define this exciting new race car:
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  • One piece driveshaft drive shaft
  • Single hoop drive shaft loop
  • Cobra Jet rear control arms and anti-roll bar
  • Ford Racing adjustable dampers
  • Drag race spring kit
  • Cobra Jet wheels -- 15" x 4" (front), 15" x 10" (rear)
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  • Cobra Jet hood scoop
  • Cobra Jet Lexan backlight
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Here's a few pics that SpeedRacer posted in his Sema thread....you can see it does indeed have what looks to be at least a 6 pt roll cage.










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The additional guage cluster on the dash looks like it's a better fit then the SAI ones.


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They also shed more weight by removing stuff out of the dash. The interior isn't much different than on the street version of the Mustang. If they would modify that to shed more weight it would run just a tick faster.

I read in AutoWeek that Dodge has come out with the Challenger for about half the price. They did not include a race tranny or rear end. AutoWeek called them placeholders. Is also weights in at around 3100 pounds. Jeg Caughlin took it out and got a 10.2 run out of it. He said that if they didn't have the rev limiter on it, he could have got down in the 9's.
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The additional guage cluster on the dash looks like it's a better fit then the SAI ones.


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Dan, thanks for doing the work for me I'm too lazy to do.

George, nice pics...I see the cage.

It's amazing how much diff the engine bay looks without the battery and other "stuff" in the upper left corner.
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Brian Wolfe interview at SEMA on the CJ ...
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Nice find Dan ...good stuff there.Here's another I found as well.

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OK.....I am WIDE awake now.......
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OK.....I am WIDE awake now.......
Isn't it like 3am there??


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Yes...... well it was........4:30am now.
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Yes...... well it was........4:30am now.
Yikes!

..you are feeling s-l-e-e-p-y ....v-e-r-y s-l-e-e-p-y...

or not!

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