FRPP CAI with & without Procal Tune

[6-Speed]

Originally Posted by 2COKEMAN

When your talking GT500 hp numbers there will be no seat of the pants feel in difference with the stock gearing and pulley with the frpp tune or sct tune, The aftermarket tune turns off the cat temp protection circuit that will most definatley cause grief down the road. Thats why they show that extra power because the computer is not pulling back the timing to cool the cats! That is why I am keeping the procal tune, there is more than enough power now! JM2CENTS

Yeah, I read an article in Mustang Performance where it mentioned one of the things the tuner did to achieve his performance objective was to turn off the CAT sensor. It went on to say - "This measures the temperature of the catalytic converters, and when the temperature of the cats gets above a certain level, the computer automatically dumps a load of fuel into the engine and lowers the air/fuel ratio to 10.7:1. By turning the CAT sensor off, it helps me to get the A/F ratio up to 11.7-11.75."

I understand that FR does not disable this feature in the Procal tunes. I also don't believe that there's a physical CAT temperature sensor, but rather the CAT (catalyst) temperature is derived by the PCM using other parameters that it does measure. The 2008 and 2009 Ford Racing catalog contains an in-depth article on all this if anyone wants to dive into all that technical stuff.

[2COKEMAN]

I can tell you the heat from these engines/exhaust is unbeleiveable!!

[cheftjpeck]

just remember the cat protection sensor is also in there to prevent cat meltdown at WOT. when the car is being tuned the tuner can take it out and allot of them do, however it does not really make a difference on the dyno...another words if they leave it on and you dyno at 540 rwhp that does not mean you will consistently get 540 rwhp..it just means that one time on the dyno you did. the only time the cat protection will be felt is on the track or on a road course where you are hittig WOT consistently. so for me it is more important to leave the cat protection in there..I never vist the track...but why take it out? if I can acheive "DYNO QUEEN" (LOL) peak numbers and feel the increase in boost..then that will be enough for me... I know dyno numbers dont mean jack....but to some of us who never race...they are our own timeslips per say...our measuring stick..."flame suit on"

[VaporDude]

Those are some good points Chef. Why take a chance on ruining your engine if you need to. There are alot of us that don't race our cars so what is the point on taking that chance? Most of us, every once in a while like to open it up on an empty road just to feel that horse power but it is not like we do it all the time.

[6-Speed]

Originally Posted by VaporDude

Those are some good points Chef. Why take a chance on ruining your engine if you need to. There are alot of us that don't race our cars so what is the point on taking that chance? Most of us, every once in a while like to open it up on an empty road just to feel that horse power but it is not like we do it all the time.

The Procal tune will serve this purpose well.

[JTB]

Originally Posted by 6-Speed

Here are some numbers I obtained from another site - these are two different cars one with the Procal tune and another with a custom tune:

FRPP CAI and Procal tune (no stock baseline):

1st run .... 465.38 RWHP, 450.40 RWTQ at 6000 rpm
2nd run ... 469.16 RWHP, 449.08 RWTQ at 6000 rpm
3rd run ... 465.90 RWHP, 443.79 RWTQ at 6300 rpm

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FRPP CAI with custom SCT dyno tune (with 5GT mufflers):

499.9 RWHP, 476.79 RWTQ

Same car stock with 5GT mufflers:

414.11 RWHP, 416.66 RWTQ

From the chart, it looks like they took it up to 6200 rpm.

The other difference is the ProCal tunes have warranty protection where the other does not.

[6-Speed]

Just read a post on another site where a member installed a FRPP CAI on a GT500 and received the Procal 2 tuner that allows user adjustments for gear ratio and tire size. I'm glad they're now available on a larger scale - the original Procal is a real dinosaur.

http://www.fordracingparts.com/calibration/default.asp

[6-Speed]

I just reinstalled my CAI after getting the tranny TSB done. I noticed that the worm gear clamps around the CAI filter and throttle body that I previously torqued down to 3-NM (27 lb-in) were much looser than this. So I torqued them to spec.

From now on, I plan to check the torque on these clamps periodically.

[6-Speed]

Saw this link on another site. Seems like some folks are not getting the installation instructions with the Ford Racing CAI kit and they are not available for downloading on the FR site. However, the TVS Supercharger instructions are available and include the CAI installation instructions burried within. Here's a quick link to the TVS installation instructions:

http://vmptuning.com/GT500/TVS/FRPPTVSINSTRUCTIONS.pdf

[Birdman]

Thanks for posting the FRPP TVS instructions PDF file 6speed .

[JTB]

Originally Posted by 6-Speed

Ford Racing now offers their CAI without the Procal tune for those who would rather use a custom tune for even more performance.

- Fits 2007-09 SVT Mustang

- Designed for those that want the Ford Racing intake for aftermarket performance tuning/calibration.

- Kit comes with hardware only! Calibration not included! Kit intended for aftermarket calibrators.

- Ford Racing Cold Air Kits utilize production quality components which mount in the stock location (reuse of mass air meter sensor required).

- Kit includes 113mm mass air meter and no calibration.

- A performance calibration is necessary to prevent engine damage. Calibration not included!

Ford Racing Performance Parts [M-9603-M54SC*]

I have the same set up as you Pro-Call tune, FFRP CAI and the shorty headers.

Do you know what exactly is Ford's Position on aftermarket tunes as it relates to warranty issues?

ex:

You have the FRPP CAI but with a tune from "Billy Bob" and the top blows off your 5.4, would this be covered?

[6-Speed]

Originally Posted by JTB Consulting

I have the same set up as you Pro-Call tune, FFRP CAI and the shorty headers.

Do you know what exactly is Ford's Position on aftermarket tunes as it relates to warranty issues?

ex:

You have the FRPP CAI but with a tune from "Billy Bob" and the top blows off your 5.4, would this be covered?

Ford Racing parts are considered "after market"; they are not OEM. Here is my understanding - if this happened, even with the procal tune installed, and the problem can be diagnosed to the aftermarket Ford Racing CAI/tune, Ford does not have to repair your engine under the new car warranty.

The Ford Racing warranty only covers the Ford Racing parts. Say the CAI air box cracked due to a manufacturing defect within the warranty period, then Ford Racing will repair or replace it, and that's only if a Ford/Mercury dealer installs it. If you install the parts, you're not covered.

The Ford Racing catalog explains their warranty policy in more detail - you can download the catalog from the Ford Racing site:

Ford Racing Performance Parts [Ford Racing Parts Catalogs]

[VaporDude]

Originally Posted by 6-Speed

Ford Racing parts are considered "after market"; they are not OEM. Here is my understanding - if this happened, even with the procal tune installed, and the problem can be diagnosed to the aftermarket Ford Racing CAI/tune, Ford does not have to repair your engine under the new car warranty.

The Ford Racing warranty only covers the Ford Racing parts. Say the CAI air box cracked due to a manufacturing defect within the warranty period, then Ford Racing will repair or replace it, and that's only if a Ford/Mercury dealer installs it. If you install the parts, you're not covered.

The Ford Racing catalog explains their warranty policy in more detail - you can download the catalog from the Ford Racing site:

Ford Racing Performance Parts [Ford Racing Parts Catalogs]

That stinks........so I guess Ford will fighting each other over what caused the problem. That would take forever.

[SLB8SNK]

HOWEVER, if you have the dealer install the FRPP CAI, they indeed do warranty everything for 12/12. Also, and as my dealer stated, if there is record that the dealer installed the system, and you have issue later, even beyond the 12/12. Ford will indeed honor as after all it is a FRPP product, installed by a licensed Ford dealer. I paid the dealer $50 to install, so it is cheap piece of mind...

Also, and as stated here, my take on a custom tune is, for the average guy, it will feel, act and perform just like the stock FRPP tune. It has been proven to provide near same results as all comparable tunes. I continue to be baffled why so many guys go after the custom tunes when they will NEVER use the extra tweaks and are just taking additional risks? Just my .02, flame suit on!

[6-Speed]

Some of the Supercharger mods such as the TVS also indicate your power-train warranty is replaced by a 12month/12K mile warranty with expenses not to exceed $8000 (Engine - $5K, Tranny - $1.5K, Rear Axle Assy - 1.5K).

[sssnake]

I'm looking for a CAI and tune for sale and unlocked tuner? SGT500 2008...

[sssnake]

Anyone going to the Sturgis rally???

[6-Speed]

Got a tip that the installation instructions for the Ford Racing SVT CAI is now available for download on their site. I recall some folks were without instructions so here they are:

http://www.fordracingparts.com/downl...9603-SVT07.pdf