GT500 Stage-3 Undercharger Intercooler

[65SC]

What you can expect:

-Up to 150hp gain (on ported OEM blower combination's)
-Up to 300hp gain (on fully built combination's)
-Lower Intake Air Temperatures
-20% less weight
-15% More airflow
-Cooler engine temperatures
-Huge increase in overall efficiency
-Less boost needed for same horsepower

Velocity Turbo Systems, LLC

[trolls56]

So does that go under the blower?

[Birdman]

Just remember their "claims" are made based on using their whole cooling package, not just the IC alone. I have already seen and held this IC and will be involved with some testing of it on a TVS equipted GT500 sometime this early spring. It does look like a very nice piece from my first impressions.

To maximize the performance of your inter-cooling system we recommend
that the Undercharger Intercooler be combined with our Stage-2 or
Stage-3 Heat Exchanger and a set of our Heat Shield Gaskets. All Testing
results where derived using the whole cooling package.

[HARLEYDEALER]

Originally Posted by Birdman

Just remember their "claims" are made based on using their whole cooling package, not just the IC alone. I have already seen and held this IC and will be involved with some testing of it on a TVS equipted GT500 sometime this early spring. It does look like a very nice piece from my first impressions.

I believe their claims are way over stated and compare to what, no way! I think its good, but most of that stuff is already being done by some, including me, but I'm not seeing no extra 300hp, again compare to what, no inner cooler. Bill

[Birdman]

Originally Posted by HARLEYDEALER

I believe their claims are way over stated and compare to what, no way! I think its good, but most of that stuff is already being done by some, including me, but I'm not seeing no extra 300hp, again compare to what, no inner cooler. Bill

I agree with you especially about the 300HP gains. I'll be looking to see just what the actual real world HP gains and temp reduction's will be. I should be an interesting gathering of facts and data.

[Spring Lil Cobra]

Cost is not mentioned either.

[iceman]

How would a cooling system increase HP? Wouldn't it just maintain peak HP longer?

[gr8snkbite]

didnt a certain somebody post this bragging all about it...i seriously doubt the 300 no matter what...i'd have to see some back to back data showing the gain to believe...period.

[Birdman]

Originally Posted by iceman

How would a cooling system increase HP? Wouldn't it just maintain peak HP longer?

This particular IC is advertized to flow 15% better than the stock IC. From what I've seen and compared by eye I would say that is quite possible. If it is less restrictive it will indeed flow more air .....more air flow = an increase in hp.
Add to that cooler air charge temps and you will have the best of both worlds.


Prices here:Velocity Turbo Systems, LLC

[gr8snkbite]

i dont doubt you George, but seeing is believing...it is interesting, and something maybe there should be a test sacrificial lamb for.....since surby doesnt drive his much....

[BlownSnake]

Originally Posted by trolls56

So does that go under the blower?

Yes this is the Intercooler under the blower.

Originally Posted by HARLEYDEALER

I believe their claims are way over stated and compare to what, no way! I think its good, but most of that stuff is already being done by some, including me, but I'm not seeing no extra 300hp, again compare to what, no inner cooler. Bill

The fact that it is UP TO 300hp, meaning that if you have a fully built drag or landspeed car then that is the maximum gains that you will see out of the motor from lower IAT's, ZERO timing loss & the ability to add in more timing when you add higher octaine to the configuration.

I can see and understand where you are coming from. But there products and "claims" have alredy been proven on a Land Speed car. Read here, Hajek Motorsports Breaks E85 World Speed Record in Mustang | Ford Mustang Forum
Danny Thompson Speaks About E-85 Powered Mustang Speed Run Preperations
Danny Thompson Speaks About E-85 Powered Mustang Speed Run Preperations
Home 2 VTS Racing decal is to the right of the FAST decal.
Home Page scroll to the bottom of the page and click on the arrow's VTS Racing's banner is there.

Originally Posted by Birdman

I agree with you especially about the 300HP gains. I'll be looking to see just what the actual real world HP gains and temp reduction's will be. I should be an interesting gathering of facts and data.

Time will tell.

Originally Posted by Spring Lil Cobra

Cost is not mentioned either.

It's there in Velocity Turbo Systems - CustomÂ*Mustang and PerformanceÂ*Ford Turbo Systems Kits

Originally Posted by iceman

How would a cooling system increase HP? Wouldn't it just maintain peak HP longer?

A properly setup and properly maintained cooling system will yeild and increase in HP with a good tune, due to the ECM pulling less timing.

Originally Posted by Birdman

This particular IC is advertized to flow 15% better than the stock IC. From what I've seen and compared by eye I would say that is quite possible. If it is less restrictive it will indeed flow more air .....more air flow = an increase in hp.
Add to that cooler air charge temps and you will have the best of both worlds.


Prices here:Velocity Turbo Systems, LLC

+1, and Well Said.

[Birdman]

I realize this is not a scientific comparrison but I thought I'd post a picture of each one for you all to see.

In the upper pic you can see how the stock IC core has much tighter and closer passage ways for the air to flow than the VTS IC in the bottom pic.

Although I haven't seen it tested on a flow bench I can see why they advertize a 15% air flow increase over stock.

IMO the stock IC was not originally designed for high boost applications (anything over 10lbs of boost) although is does work, just not efficiently.
It will be interesting to see how boost, power and cooling are affected by the new VTS IC.

GT500 STOCK IC


GT500 VTS IC

[gr8snkbite]

Originally Posted by Birdman

I realize this is not a scientific comparrison but I thought I'd post a picture of each one for you all to see.

In the upper pic you can see how the stock IC core has much tighter and closer passage ways for the air to flow than the VTS IC in the bottom pic.

Although I haven't seen it tested on a flow bench I can see why they advertize a 15% air flow increase over stock.

IMO the stock IC was not originally designed for high boost applications (anything over 10lbs of boost) although is does work, just not efficiently.
It will be interesting to see how boost, power and cooling are affected by the new VTS IC.

GT500 STOCK IC


GT500 VTS IC

i just may have to test this sucker out....

[SpeedRacer]

Originally Posted by gr8snkbite

i just may have to test this sucker out....

My Birthday is in March....

[JTB]

Originally Posted by Birdman

I realize this is not a scientific comparrison but I thought I'd post a picture of each one for you all to see.

In the upper pic you can see how the stock IC core has much tighter and closer passage ways for the air to flow than the VTS IC in the bottom pic.

Although I haven't seen it tested on a flow bench I can see why they advertize a 15% air flow increase over stock.

IMO the stock IC was not originally designed for high boost applications (anything over 10lbs of boost) although is does work, just not efficiently.
It will be interesting to see how boost, power and cooling are affected by the new VTS IC.

GT500 STOCK IC


GT500 VTS IC

Bird, did they send you one for free, to test?

[Birdman]

Originally Posted by JTB

Bird, did they send you one for free, to test?

No this is not mine it is a friend's, and unfortunately he did have to pay for it along with the insulation and gaskets as well.

[TOMMY GUN]

What insulation and gaskets?

I thought this bolted to the bottom of the S/C?

.

[Birdman]

Originally Posted by TOMMY GUN

What insulation and gaskets?

I thought this bolted to the bottom of the S/C?

.

Velocity Turbo Systems, LLC

[TOMMY GUN]

Guess i don't know how this is set up.

I take it you need to remove the intake manifold to remove the intercooler piece.

Still thought the the S/C had a O ring gasket on it.

No biggie, I don't plan on doing any of this.

.

[trolls56]

Birdman are you going to be helping your friend install it? If you are will you do a "How To" with pictures? Id like to see what all is involved in doing this.