Replacement Filter for a FRPP CAI in red

[Super Snake]

Originally Posted by ati

I'm confused,

The blue filter that came with my FRPP CAI didn't come with any oil and I believe that it is a non oiled filter. Can someone confirm this?

The filter from S & B Filters is an oil type filter. This sounds messy, Is it?
Is this a better filter than the dry type?

Every reusable filter I have seen has oil. Not dripping
I dont find the aerosol to be messy at all hut I do a lot of spray painting

Mine didnt come with any additional oil but the new filter should be getting it's color from the oil that is applied.

[ItalianStallion]

VMP has the replacement RED as well for the FRPP.



IS

[Blackshelby]

Originally Posted by ati

Thanks for the links,
The CAI in your pic looks like its Ford Racing, Is it?
I never used a filter that needed oil. What is involved in maintaining a oil type filter?

Are you going to ORF's
If so I have a brand new red filter you are welcome to. Just let me know Ill bring it with me if you are.

[JTB]

Originally Posted by Super Snake

Every reusable filter I have seen has oil.
I dont find the aerosol to be messy at all hut I do a lot of spray painting

Mine didnt come with any additional oil but the new filter should be getting it's color from the oil that is applied.

FRPP recommend washing thier CAI filter in mild detergent (I use ZERO) and then allow it to dry thoroughly. No oil.

[Super Snake]

Originally Posted by JTB Consulting

FRPP recommend washing thier CAI filter in mild detergent (I use ZERO) and then allow it to dry thoroughly. No oil.

There it is in writing
no oil 1st Ive seen of that
Guess I was wrong

[ati]

Originally Posted by Blackshelby

Are you going to ORF's
If so I have a brand new red filter you are welcome to. Just let me know Ill bring it with me if you are.

Unfortunately I have a wedding to attend that weekend.
Is this the same filter as birdmans only in red?

[Birdman]

Originally Posted by BEEKAY GT500

have you read/heard/know about anyone actually doing a dyno comparison with the standard frpp filter (capped ended) against the s&b style (same sized) open ended filter? i wonder if there is enough additional airflow to require a tweak to the tune?

Yes Jim did a test using both the capped and the open ended filters. There was a slight benifit from the open ended one because of the increassed filter area, but not enough to mention. Defenitly not enough to change the tune .

You might get an added benifit if cool air was ducted to the front of the filter.

[JTB]

Originally Posted by Birdman

Yes Jim did a test using both the capped and the open ended filters. There was a slight benifit from the open ended one because of the increassed filter area, but not enough to mention. Defenitly not enough to change the tune .

You might get an added benifit if cool air was ducted to the front of the filter.

Do you oil your filter BM?

[MCGunny]

So, the filter I got with my TVS CAI is non-oiled?

[Birdman]

Originally Posted by JTB Consulting

Do you oil your filter BM?

After the filter is cleaned each time it should be oiled in the prescribed manner .This is to ensure proper and effective filtration.

I have not had to clean & oil mine on the GT500 yet but when I do I expect to do so.

[ati]

Originally Posted by Birdman

This is the one you will want (it has a SS tip)
S&B Filters: Part #: R0927: Universal Filter: FL ID 6, Top OD 5.25, Elem


This one is the same but has a Black cap
S&B Filters: Part #: R0928: Universal Filter: FL ID 6, Top OD 5.25, Elem


Here is what my blue one looks like with the SS tip

OK Birdman,
On your recommendation I ordered the red with the SS tip.

Thanks everyone for all the information.
This Site Rocks

[JTB]

Originally Posted by Birdman

After the filter is cleaned each time it should be oiled in the prescribed manner .This is to ensure proper and effective filtration.

I have not had to clean & oil mine on the GT500 yet but when I do I expect to do so.

BM...Ok I forgot you run these S&B filters now.

Did you ever have the FRPP Filter?

Did you oil it?

FRPP instruct not to oil it at all.

[MCGunny]

Just got off the phone with Ford Racing. They said the FRPP filter comes oiled, but they suggest not to re-oil. Just clean with a water and mild dish soap. I was a little skeptical at this because why would it come olied in the first place?

[Birdman]

Originally Posted by JTB Consulting

BM...Ok I forgot you run these S&B filters now.

Did you ever have the FRPP Filter?

Did you oil it?

FRPP instruct not to oil it at all.

I did but I swapped it for the S&B open ended one. That said yes I would oil it . I would recommend a very light application of the K&N or "Precision" oil on the FRPP filter after a thorough cleaning .
I don't believe it is any different in the way it filters than the S&B or the K&N . Both of which require a minute amount of "filter oil" in order to trap and hold the dirt properly.
If this were not the case then why do the FRPP filters come oiled in the first place?

[Blackshelby]

Originally Posted by ati

Unfortunately I have a wedding to attend that weekend.
Is this the same filter as birdmans only in red?

Its the same one without the opening
Its a duplicate to the one you have.(expect its a SB brand instead of K+N)
I have so many different ones you are still welcome to it if you want it.
Its a SB filter red filter Brand new in the box.
If you want it just pm me your address and ill mail it to you

Jim

[JTB]

Originally Posted by Birdman

I did but I swapped it for the S&B open ended one. That said yes I would oil it . I would recommend a very light application of the K&N or "Precision" oil on the FRPP filter after a thorough cleaning .
I don't believe it is any different in the way it filters than the S&B or the K&N . Both of which require a minute amount of "filter oil" in order to trap and hold the dirt properly.
If this were not the case then why do the FRPP filters come oiled in the first place?

Thanks for the clarification G, I was perplexed that the FRPP filters game oiled and then they (FRPP) advised not to oil them after a wash, it just did not make any sense. I've used K&Ns and BMCs for years and part of the maintenance schedule included misting them down when dry, which I will now do with the FRPP when I wash it again.

[ati]

Originally Posted by Blackshelby

Its the same one without the opening
Its a duplicate to the one you have.(expect its a SB brand instead of K+N)
I have so many different ones you are still welcome to it if you want it.
Its a SB filter red filter Brand new in the box.
If you want it just pm me your address and ill mail it to you

Jim

Thanks Jim,
PM sent

[68fastback]

Dunno if true, but I've read that over-oiling the filter can foul the MAF sensor. I would not be surprised if FRPP decided to pass on the oiling (after cleaning) to avoid MAF liability from the heavy-handed oilers (lol).

I noticed in the cleaning instrctions they ned a 3A: wait until fully dry before oiling! This can take a several hours on a damp cool day or maybe less than an hour in dry sun. For that reason some guys buy two filters and keep one cleaned, oiled and stored in a sealed plastic bag ready to swap. his also gives even a very light oiling plenty of time to fully spread to every bit of the filter surfaces.

Also, they say in some instructions to not use any water pressure to rinse it but folks I've taked to who have cleaned their filters numerous times (fellow who used to work for Evo has cleaned many) said he uses a mild detergent soak -- more soak time makes it easier to effectively rinse the dirt out -- and then a garden hose (no nozzle) with his thumb over the hose to gently control how much pressure. He said you want to see clean water actually flow though every pleat and it should all look clean when you're done.

The resin impregnated filter elements are pretty darn tough but you would not want to use a pressure washer (lol). Again, I suspect the wording about rinsing with no pressure is there to prevent returns-liability so some dufus doesn't turn the filter into into a glob of matted ooze with a 1500# pressure washer and then return it for a replacement.

The oiling is to help 'trap' the smallest particles so they don't eventually work thru the filter over time -- same principal as a wet-bath air filter on a 30s Ford flathead or your Briggs & Stratton rider-mower pre-filter, except they don't have a MAF sensor to foul.

As long as the oil is applied carefully (along the ribs, no excess, wait for it to spread, according to the instructions) I doubt it will be a problem -- they're just trying to be certain it's not over-oiled such that a droplet gets sucked loose and hits the hot-wire sensor in the MAF (which will foul it and very possibly ruin it permanently).

There are specialy MAF-sensor spray cleaners available, about $15/can (don't use standard electrical spray cleaner), but dunno how well they work on oil contamination ...they're intended more to safely remove dirt particles from the sensor to extend its life in lieu of having to replace the sensor, not as a regular-use MAF cleaner from what I've read.

Another fellow I talked to says he can't be bothered cleaning it and just tosses these 'permanent' filters ot once a year ...pretty expensive toss, but, hey ...it's his car. Just some feedback and thoughts...

[6-Speed]

Originally Posted by MCGunny

Just got off the phone with Ford Racing. They said the FRPP filter comes oiled, but they suggest not to re-oil. Just clean with a water and mild dish soap. I was a little skeptical at this because why would it come olied in the first place?

I have suspected for a while that the FR CAI filters are oiled, which is what gives it that blue color (or red color). If the filters come pre-oiled, then I intend to re-oil mine when it comes time to clean it. But I plan to purchase a second filter so the washed one has plenty of time to dry and for the oil to permeate the filter material.

[Blackshelby]

FRPP CAI Filters are K+N's so clean it and treat it like a K+N filter (why because it is a K+N......):