Engine Light On and Nobody's Home

[Carnut]

Originally Posted by MadMax

a


Those used to be made at our Cleveland plant. SPX bought Auto XRay a few years ago. I was the lucky guy that got to manage the inventory and travel back and forth from Mpls. to Cle.. That plant is now scheduled for closure, and much of those items are being built in China now. I would not give them one red cent.

Well I guess MM's reader wasn't an Auto XRay.

It would have said. "You too lich, you go home now. Yankee Pig."

[TOMMY GUN]

Originally Posted by MadMax

a


Those used to be made at our Cleveland plant. SPX bought Auto XRay a few years ago. I was the lucky guy that got to manage the inventory and travel back and forth from Mpls. to Cle.. That plant is now scheduled for closure, and much of those items are being built in China now. I would not give them one red cent.

Are you saying not to get this brand?

Is there some inherent problem here?

.

[Mr. White]

Brand is fine. My issue is with the job loss here in the states. There are 100 people in Cleveland that will get a pink slip for Christmas 2008 because SPX chose to move production to China.

What they have done is created a small clean room in the Owatonna, Mn. plant for development of scan tools OTC LINK and shipped production to China.

OTC started out as a family business many years ago in Owatonna and was purchased by SPX in a similar fashion to AutoXray. Unfortunately for the top brass, hard tools like pullers, sockets, jacks, strut tamers, etc. are not exactly high quality when made in China, or everything would be done there. As you can tell, I was not a popular Manager with the top brass.

That is one of the reasons I started this company. I hope to be able to offer high quality products and services that are affordable, and American made......someday.

It is not the big companies that end up paying for this move....it is you and me. Once their "package" runs out, and extended unemployment kicks in, you and I now pick up the tab while big companies continue to gain marketsahre and profits.......sound fair? Nope. Not to mention, the impact to an employee that has spent 20+ years of their life clocking in at the same timeclock, not missing a day of work, and giving their life to a company in OT.

Sorry for the hijack.

[TOMMY GUN]

Are you saying that OTC, SPX and AUTOXRAY are now the same company?

.

[Mr. White]

SPX owns everything, or so it seems. They have been buying out competitors for many years, and I was a part of the "machine" until I couldn't take it anymore.

[TOMMY GUN]

Originally Posted by TOMMY GUN

What is the difference between the one I listed and the 6000 ?

I don't think I understand. Looks like they both read the codes and explain them, but one is $130 and one is $550.


The less expensive one has less cords.

Originally Posted by MadMax

SPX owns everything, or so it seems. They have been buying out competitors for many years, and I was a part of the "machine" until I couldn't take it anymore.

So, if you're not upset that I would buy one...do you know what the difference in the two are?

.

[Carnut]

Originally Posted by TOMMY GUN

So, if you're not upset that I would buy one...do you know what the difference in the two are?

.

So that is why you need to call to find out if the Spanish Oak can be read.


SHEEEESH. :trouble-1:

[TOMMY GUN]

Originally Posted by Carnut

So that is why you need to call to find out if the Spanish Oak can be read.


SHEEEESH. :trouble-1:

Okay thanks.


I'm slow, but I'm ..er..slow. :mafia20smile:


.

[Mr. White]

If I recall correctly, the 6000 would be more in line for a shop than home use. Granted, it has been 10 months since I have been there.

If you are not interested in prinitng data, customizing views, and purchasing the cables for all manufacturers, go with the one you listed. I would call to verify the cable provded fits the GT500, or you may have to buy that as well.

[TOMMY GUN]

Originally Posted by MadMax

If I recall correctly, the 6000 would be more in line for a shop than home use. Granted, it has been 10 months since I have been there.

If you are not interested in prinitng data, customizing views, and purchasing the cables for all manufacturers, go with the one you listed. I would call to verify the cable provded fits the GT500, or you may have to buy that as well.

Thanks.

[Mr. White]

Your welcome!

[Alloy Dave]

Originally Posted by TOMMY GUN

:bangin:


I think it just runs a little rich.

I need someone smart to tell me why?

Adaptive learning? < I don't think so unless the car is getting afraid everytime I get in the drivers seat!


.

I'll defer to George or Dan...but I'll throw this out there.

If you have a vacuum leak, the computer may sense it via the O2 sensor and start dumping more fuel. Depending on throttle position and vacuum, the sensor could then read a rich code (in other words, if you back off the throttle such that there is no vacuum leak, but the fuel keeps flowing, the engine will be rich).

Dan or George, is this possible?

Dave

[Birdman]

Originally Posted by Alloy Dave

I'll defer to George or Dan...but I'll throw this out there.

If you have a vacuum leak, the computer may sense it via the O2 sensor and start dumping more fuel. Depending on throttle position and vacuum, the sensor could then read a rich code (in other words, if you back off the throttle such that there is no vacuum leak, but the fuel keeps flowing, the engine will be rich).

Dan or George, is this possible?

Dave

If you have a vacuum leak after the mass air meter and before the SC compresses the air it will actually cause a lean condition . This is because you are introducing unmetered (extra) air to the engine. The computer thinks you have less air than you do therefore it will run lean.

If the new tune is off either by having the mass air meter curve too high or simply too much fuel you will have a rich condition.
Another thing that could cause a rich 'code 'condition would be a bad O2 sensor.

My guess is it is probably in the tune.

Question: Was it a "long range fuel rich " code ? If so it is probably in the aftermarket tune.

[gt500flyboy]

Let me throw this out there. How often have you cleaned your JLT filter? I've had the rich condition - and even went into fail safe mode at one point. Cleaned up the filter with the K&N kit and problem solved.

[Birdman]

Even a bad spark plug could cause a rich condition also.

[TOMMY GUN]

Originally Posted by gt500flyboy

Let me throw this out there. How often have you cleaned your JLT filter? I've had the rich condition - and even went into fail safe mode at one point. Cleaned up the filter with the K&N kit and problem solved.

It's a million mile filter.

I'm going to see?


.

[gt500flyboy]

Originally Posted by TOMMY GUN

It's a million mile filter.

I'm going to see?


.

??? So - you haven't cleaned it at all? Tell me you're joking.

Sure they last a long time, but you must clean them. I've cleaned mine twice already. Last winter and just last week. Get the kit - it's like $12 - and it works. You'll be amazed at how much comes out of that filter. Oil filters trap a load of crap - and it blocks the intake.

[TOMMY GUN]

Originally Posted by gt500flyboy

??? So - you haven't cleaned it at all? Tell me you're joking.

Sure they last a long time, but you must clean them. I've cleaned mine twice already. Last winter and just last week. Get the kit - it's like $12 - and it works. You'll be amazed at how much comes out of that filter. Oil filters trap a load of crap - and it blocks the intake.

I've cleaned it a couple times.


.

[Johnny Dangerously]

Originally Posted by gt500flyboy

??? So - you haven't cleaned it at all? Tell me you're joking.

Sure they last a long time, but you must clean them. I've cleaned mine twice already. Last winter and just last week. Get the kit - it's like $12 - and it works. You'll be amazed at how much comes out of that filter. Oil filters trap a load of crap - and it blocks the intake.

He's probably only got 5,000 miles on it, so he's got a while before it needs cleaning.


`

[Alloy Dave]

Originally Posted by Birdman

If you have a vacuum leak after the mass air meter and before the SC compresses the air it will actually cause a lean condition . This is because you are introducing unmetered (extra) air to the engine. The computer thinks you have less air than you do therefore it will run lean.

If the new tune is off either by having the mass air meter curve too high or simply too much fuel you will have a rich condition.
Another thing that could cause a rich 'code 'condition would be a bad O2 sensor.

My guess is it is probably in the tune.

Question: Was it a "long range fuel rich " code ? If so it is probably in the aftermarket tune.

What if the air leak is BEFORE the mass air meter though?